Could Jesus really be God?

15 years 8 months ago #142 by Nadir Ahmad
Nadir Ahmad created the topic: Could Jesus really be God?
Everything in existence has attributes with which it can be described, no matter how miniscule it is. Even the smallest organisms can be described as transparent, microscopic and single celled etc. These are some if their attributes by which they are described.

Attributes must be in accord with the reality of the entity being described. If there is a contradiction between an attribute and the entity being described, there can only be two possibilities: Either the attribute does not belong to the entity being described or something else is being described other than the entity in question. For example, if you describe a rock with the attribute of life, describing it as living for instance, we would conclude that either this attribute of life does not belong to the rock and therefore it is incorrect to describe a rock as such, or that you are not describing a rock but something else, as the reality is that a rock is not alive.

God, the lord of all things, the creator of the heavens, earth and all that is within and between them, He has lofty attributes with which he is described and named with, attributes of perfection that are in accord with His Majesty, attributes that are befitting of a Deity. If they were not perfect or were deficient in any way, he wouldn’t be a God, as being a God necessitates having divine attributes of perfection that are free from deficiency.

If we were to mention some of God’s attributes, the majority would agree to them and affirm they are in fact attributes for a God no matter what religion they ascribe to.

If we were to say for instance, that one of God’s attributes is that he is All Powerful, everyone would agree. A mere glimpse at the vastness of space, populated with its limitless stars, the depth of the ocean with limitless life forms, some as large as planes, others too small to be seen by the naked eye, the great height and mass of mountains, the intense heat of the sun and so forth, this would lead any intelligent being to the conclusion that the creator is All Powerful, All Able.

{Verily His Command, when He intends a thing is only that He says to it, "Be!" – and it is!}
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Another attribute is that He is All Knowledgeable. This necessitates that He knows everything; everything that took place in the past, everything that is taking place in the present and what would take place in the future. It also necessitates that He is not ignorant or unaware of anything whatsoever, no matter how small and insignificant it is, whether it is secret or hidden, whether it is spoken or just a thought. High above is our Lord from such attributes of deficiency.

{And He knows whatever there is in the land and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but that He knows of it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.}
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God is attributed with Perfect Life. This necessitates a number of things, amongst them are; He is The First, there was none before Him, and He is The Last, there is none after Him, and cannot be attributed with death.

{Say: "Shall I take as a Lord any other than Allaah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He Who feeds but is not fed.}
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The attributes of a Perfect life and All Powerfulness also mean that He does not tire so He is not in need of rest or sleep, He does not hunger or thirst and therefore is not in need of food or drink.

{Say: "Shall I take as a Lord any other than Allaah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He Who feeds but is not fed.}

God is Self Sufficient, He is not in need of anything whatsoever and it is He who sustains the creation, and it is the creation that is dependant on Him.

{…the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth.}

Just as knowing an entities attributes would make you better acquainted with its reality, likewise knowing the Attributes of you Lord would make you better acquainted and more knowledgeable about Him and would further lead you to nullify false claims about Him.

The attributes of God are many, and when describing our Lord with such perfect attributes, no intelligent being would disagree with them, rather you would find them affirming them with full conviction as they would hear their Lord being described with lofty attributes of perfection such as:

The All Mighty, The All Knowledgeable, The Most Merciful, The All Able, The Oft Forgiving, The Ever Living, The Self Sufficient, The Majestic, The Glorified, The All Wise, The Gracious, The Holy, The Magnificent, The Supreme, The One, The Only…

We mentioned earlier that attributes must be in accord to what is being described. So let’s apply some of the aforementioned divine attributes to Jesus and see if this is the case or if there are contradictions…

Let’s take for example the attribute of Perfect Life. Jesus was given birth to, and according to Christianity died, a fundamental contradiction to Perfect Life. He was not the first, there were many before him, he is not the last, there are many who came after him. The process of a birth and weaning period are also a contradiction to the attribute of Perfect Life, Self Sufficiency and All Powerfulness. A new born is in need of protection, while One who is attributed with All Powerfulness can not be in need of protection.

Jesus tired and therefore needed rest and sleep, which are attributes of deficiency that a God is free from. During times of sleep, one needs an abode of safety as a sleeping person is unaware of what transpires around him, which is in contradiction to being All Powerful, All Knowlegable. He also needed to eat and drink as all dependant beings do, not an attribute of One who is Self Sufficient.

A baby or child is need of being fed, while we mentioned that God is Self Sufficient, is not in need of food or drink, in fact a new born is almost fully dependant on others as any parent would confirm. Had it not been for his mother feeding him, he would have went hungry, had it not been for his mother protecting from the heat and the cold and many other harms, he would have been harmed, had his mother not carried him, he would not have been able to move. Can this be the state of a God whom we have described with divine attributes of perfection? Can a God be described with such attributes of imperfection, such as weakness, fatigue, dependency and so on from what we just described Jesus with?

There are much bigger problems with Jesus being a Deity, the need to relive oneself from food and drink (through urine and deification) cannot in anyway be attributed to a divine being, Glorified is our Lord and High above is He from being in such a state. During the first years of Jesus’ life, had it not been for a mother to purify him from such a state, he would have remained as so, can this be the state of a God worthy of worship?

If we were to contemplate over the attributes of God, and then apply them to Jesus, we would find that such attributes do not fit him at all, rather they are in total contradiction to his reality, and that he is in fact exactly what he appears to be, exactly what he claimed to be; a man, who was the son of a woman, Mary/Mariam, who was a daughter to a father and mother.

If you applied the attributes of mankind to Jesus, you would find that they are in perfect harmony with his reality, He was a man who was sent with a Message by his Lord, the true possessor of perfect attributes.

{The messiah Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him}

From the bible:

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” [Bible]

“I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God.” [Bible]

Likewise was the messenger sent after him, Muhammad, may they both be in peace:

{"I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that your God is One God. So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord."}

Their message is one…

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13 years 6 months ago #177 by Sajid al-Hindi
Sajid al-Hindi replied the topic: Re:Could Jesus really be God?
Jesus and the Devil in the Bible

In the New Testament of the Bible, in the fourth chapter of the Gospel according to Matthew, the sixth and seventh verses clearly indicate that Jesus is an obedient mortal and God is the Master and Lord according to his saying in the seventh verse:

"It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord, thy God."

In this chapter we read that the Devil actually carried the Messiah, and took him from place to place.

How can the Devil carry God? Glory be to Allaah; He is above such blasphemy!

Then the Devil orders him to prostrate before him and worship him, even tempting him with worldly possessions. How can the Devil even dare such an audacity with God? When the Devil wanted Jesus to comply with his orders, he (Jesus) replied by saying that it was written (in the previous Books):

"Thou shalt worship the Lord, thy God; And Him only shalt thou serve." Matthew 4:10.


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